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Linux MagazineSome big changes are coming in the <a href="https://mastodon.social/@mxlinux" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@mxlinux</a> 25 release <a href="https://www.linux-magazine.com/Online/News/Upcoming-Changes-for-MXLinux?utm_source=mlm" rel="nofollow noopener" translate="no" target="_blank">https://www.linux-magazine.com/Online/News/Upcoming-Changes-for-MXLinux?utm_source=mlm</a> <a href="https://fosstodon.org/tags/Linux" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#Linux</a> <a href="https://fosstodon.org/tags/MXLinux" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#MXLinux</a> <a href="https://fosstodon.org/tags/FOSS" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#FOSS</a> <a href="https://fosstodon.org/tags/Wayland" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#Wayland</a> <a href="https://fosstodon.org/tags/Plasma" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#Plasma</a> <a href="https://fosstodon.org/tags/OpenSource" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#OpenSource</a> <a href="https://fosstodon.org/tags/OperatingSystem" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#OperatingSystem</a> <a href="https://fosstodon.org/tags/distro" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#distro</a> <a href="https://fosstodon.org/tags/Xfce" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#Xfce</a> <a href="https://fosstodon.org/tags/systemd" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#systemd</a> <a href="https://fosstodon.org/tags/SysVinit" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#SysVinit</a>

jbz｢ starting with MX Linux 25, users will need to pick their preferred init system—systemd or sysVinit—when downloading the ISO, not during installation or boot ｣<a href="https://linuxiac.com/big-changes-ahead-for-mx-linux-25/" rel="nofollow noopener" translate="no" target="_blank">https://linuxiac.com/big-changes-ahead-for-mx-linux-25/</a><a href="https://indieweb.social/tags/mxlinux" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#mxlinux</a> <a href="https://indieweb.social/tags/systemd" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#systemd</a> <a href="https://indieweb.social/tags/sysVinit" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#sysVinit</a> <a href="https://indieweb.social/tags/opensource" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#opensource</a>

Kevin Karhan :verified:<a href="https://social.glitched.systems/@froge" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@froge</a> <a href="https://social.treehouse.systems/@bodil" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@bodil</a> Because <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/OpenRC" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#OpenRC</a> just took <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/SysVinit" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#SysVinit</a> and read what <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Piettering" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#Piettering</a> wrote when he vonceptualized <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/SystemD" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#SystemD</a> which meant:<ul><li>Start less</li></ul>&<ul><li>Start more in parallel</li></ul>And the beauty of <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/FLOSS" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#FLOSS</a> is that people can roll their own…<ul><li>Even if that may be their sole motivation (looks at <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Devuan" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#Devuan</a>)…</li></ul>

Kevin Karhan :verified:<a href="https://social.treehouse.systems/@bodil" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@bodil</a> also <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/SystemD" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#SystemD</a> is evidently a "necessary evil" at worst, because noone accepts <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/SysVinit" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#SysVinit</a> boot times measured in minutes!Interestibgly the same folks hating <code>systemd</code> are loving <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/LaunchD" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#LaunchD</a> & <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/SMF" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#SMF</a> yet <code>launchd</code> is what inspired SystemD...<a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o_AIw9bGogo" rel="nofollow noopener" translate="no" target="_blank">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o_AIw9bGogo</a>

Kevin Karhan :verified:<a href="https://social.restless.systems/@CursedSilicon" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@CursedSilicon</a> <a href="https://fedi.catto.garden/users/gettie" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@gettie</a> Eeyupp!Same as with <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/SystemD" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#SystemD</a>: Shit's more dynamic and we can't sell people systems with <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/SysVinit" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#SysVinit</a> startup speeds in the minutes like in 2007.<a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o_AIw9bGogo" rel="nofollow noopener" translate="no" target="_blank">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o_AIw9bGogo</a><ul><li><a href="https://infosec.space/tags/XWayland" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#XWayland</a> helps transitioning from <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Xorg" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#Xorg</a> to <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Wayland" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#Wayland</a>, and it does that well.</li></ul>Noone would've started either project if the preceding solutions were "fine". Cuz they weren't!

Kevin Karhan :verified:<a href="https://mastodon.social/@mrmasterkeyboard" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@mrmasterkeyboard</a> <a href="https://infosec.exchange/@cesarpose" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@cesarpose</a> I mean, <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Xorg" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#Xorg</a> - like <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/SysVinit" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#SysVinit</a> - both have severe issues that just ain't gonna be addressable under reasonable expectations re: hardware support, compatibility and software support.<ul><li>But there's a reason "Big Distros" and the community in general came to the conclusion that <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Wayland" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#Wayland</a> and <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/SystemD" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#SystemD</a> are at worst 'necessary evils' and for the most part deliver a lot of quality-of-life features.</li></ul><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o_AIw9bGogo" rel="nofollow noopener" translate="no" target="_blank">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o_AIw9bGogo</a>There is no "<a href="https://infosec.space/tags/conspiracy" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#conspiracy</a>" of <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/BigTech" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#BigTech</a> wanting to kill <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/X11" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#X11</a> or even sabotage <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Xlibre" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#Xlibre</a> for that matter. It's just that some folks have trouble letting go and acknowledge that <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Xserver" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#Xserver</a> is kept on "life support" as <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Xwayland" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#Xwayland</a> so people can run their 25+ year old <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Windows" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#Windows</a> games in <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Wine" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#Wine</a> without going apeshit.<ul><li>I mean, ask <a href="https://oxytodon.com/@fuchsiii" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@fuchsiii</a> about that effort, where she's basically "workarounding" wine devs by literally pulling a "<a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Steam" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#Steam</a> compatibility layer" kind of trick and swapping "good known working" Wine versions in just before launching a game because that works for setups where you have one user playing one game at a time on one machine and where shuffling around files/symlinks is possible.</li></ul>

Kevin Karhan :verified:<a href="https://mstdn.social/@fabiscafe" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@fabiscafe</a> <a href="https://fosstodon.org/@okapi" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@okapi</a> espechally in the form of an interactive desktop...<ul><li>I could see it valid for multiple shell sessions, but <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/tmux" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#tmux</a> & <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/screen" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#screen</a> cover that pretty well.</li><li>If one has to login into different machines then chances are <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/aithentification" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#aithentification</a> is centralized anyway.</li></ul>Needless to say <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/modernizations" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#modernizations</a> like <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/SystemD" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#SystemD</a> don't happen because people like <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Poettering" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#Poettering</a> are "hobbyless", but because the preexisting status-quo (<a href="https://infosec.space/tags/SysVinit" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#SysVinit</a>) was slow, inflexible and error-prone by strict linearity and non-parallelization.<ul><li>With a literal <code>/etc/init</code> file one can literally get a system to hang due to a mistake (i.e. certain call doesn't get invoked correctly), whereas on <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/SystemD" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#SystemD</a> (and competing solutions like <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/LaunchD" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#LaunchD</a> on <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/macOS" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#macOS</a> and <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/SMF" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#SMF</a> on <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Solaris" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#Solaris</a>) your desktop / laptop will continue to noot even if it doesn't have a network connection. </li></ul>Not to mention as Benno Rice explained: 'Shit just gotmore dynamic!': We don't have that one big ass maingrame and serial terminals, instead we have laptops that may he carried around a campus or traveled with all day and that constantly switch between wireless and wired networks and have VPN tunnels open and whatnot...

Ambassador of the Heat Sink<a href="https://infosec.space/@kkarhan" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@kkarhan</a> <a href="https://labyrinth.zone/users/halva" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@halva</a> <a href="https://ubuntu.social/@ubuntu" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@ubuntu</a> <a href="https://fosstodon.org/@opensuse" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@opensuse</a> <a href="https://climatejustice.social/tags/SysVinit" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#SysVinit</a> works well, and is a problem only if you care about booting time. That's not the case of everybody. Anyway, lots of alternatives exist nowadays: runit, open-rc, s6, etc. All these alternatives get the best of both worlds: they remain mainly script-based, and they are much faster than SystemV.

Kevin Karhan :verified:<a href="https://labyrinth.zone/users/halva" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@halva</a> +9001%I've used <a href="https://ubuntu.social/@ubuntu" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@ubuntu</a> 7.04 and <a href="https://fosstodon.org/@opensuse" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@opensuse</a> 10.2 and noone wants to go back to those ages when we had <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/WiFi" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#WiFi</a> problems, had to fiddle with <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/nVidia" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#nVidia</a> drivers and <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/AMD" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#AMD</a> was just not an option!<ul><li>Same with <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/SystemD" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#SystemD</a>: <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/SysVinit" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#SysVinit</a> is shit and everyone who thinks it's reasonable amto wait 5-15+ mins for a desktop to boot is even mire delusional than <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Xorg" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#Xorg</a> fans wanting to cancel <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Wayland" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#Wayland</a>!</li></ul><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o_AIw9bGogo" rel="nofollow noopener" translate="no" target="_blank">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o_AIw9bGogo</a>

Kevin Karhan :verified:<a href="https://possum.city/@tauon" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@tauon</a> <a href="https://limepeeps.perchinup.top/@radmin" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@radmin</a> not really tho.Have you ever had to deal with <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/SysVinit" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#SysVinit</a>?<ul><li><a href="https://infosec.space/tags/SystemD" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#SystemD</a> is at worst a "<a href="https://infosec.space/tags/NecessaryEvil" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#NecessaryEvil</a>" because <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Linux" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#Linux</a> evolved and the old systems that came before were neglected if not unmaintainable.</li></ul><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o_AIw9bGogo" rel="nofollow noopener" translate="no" target="_blank">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o_AIw9bGogo</a><ul><li>That being said it's <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/OpenSource" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#OpenSource</a> and <a href="https://infosec.space/@kkarhan/114175502524106859" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">you're free to not use it</a> and go back to the basics of the <code>/etc/init</code> file...</li></ul>I do so myself <a href="https://infosec.space/@kkarhan/114175117663891065" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">in my free time...</a>

Tushar ChauhanI have been a linux user for more than 20 years, and a Debian user for a good 15 years now. For the first time, I feel like something is off. systemd feels like a Frankenstein that does not belong. It makes the system feel brittle and vulnerable. Perhaps some more reading is in order. But I am also starting to look into things like Devuan.Thoughts? Interesting takes and links?<a href="https://mastodon.mit.edu/tags/linux" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#linux</a> <a href="https://mastodon.mit.edu/tags/systemd" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#systemd</a> <a href="https://mastodon.mit.edu/tags/debian" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#debian</a> <a href="https://mastodon.mit.edu/tags/devuan" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#devuan</a> <a href="https://mastodon.mit.edu/tags/sysvinit" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#sysvinit</a> <a href="https://mastodon.mit.edu/tags/openrc" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#openrc</a>

Kevin Karhan :verified:<a href="https://fedi.catto.garden/users/gettie" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@gettie</a> <a href="https://mai.waifuism.life/@waifu" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@waifu</a> I just think that's due to old programs refusing to change/noone fixing them to run on <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Wayland" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#Wayland</a>.<ul><li><a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Xorg" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#Xorg</a> is <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/EoL" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#EoL</a> / dead and the quicker we get things transitioned over the better.</li></ul>This isn't even a matter of convenience and speed like with <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/SystemD" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#SystemD</a> vs. <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/SysVinit" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#SysVinit</a> but a matter of <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/deprecated" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#deprecated</a> APIs & ABIs…<ul><li>Just like <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/i386" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#i386</a> support for <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Linux" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#Linux</a> got axed because it was way too painful to maintain and noone wanted to keep maintaining it!</li></ul>

tyil<a href="https://social.ainmosni.eu/@ainmosni" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@ainmosni@social.ainmosni.eu</a> All the people harping on how <a href="https://fedi.tyil.nl/tags/systemd" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#systemd</a> is better than <a href="https://fedi.tyil.nl/tags/sysvinit" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#sysvinit</a> seem to have forgotten there were alternatives to sysvinit already...

Joel Carnat 📽️That systemd Thing: A Debate With No Ending <a href="https://eggflix.foolbazar.eu/videos/watch/dd6ab9d5-1ef9-4c35-91fa-e0885a1bcf50" rel="nofollow noopener" translate="no" target="_blank">https://eggflix.foolbazar.eu/videos/watch/dd6ab9d5-1ef9-4c35-91fa-e0885a1bcf50</a>

Grow FediverseOk fam, after about a week of being a complete and utter newbie ingesting tutorials about <a href="https://my-place.social/search?tag=Linux" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#Linux</a> I think I am finally understanding two things: what distros are, and that for some reason my brain will correlate ANY technical topic with food.Linux is ice cream Linux families are particular flavors of ice cream And like ice cream, there’s basically certain core flavors, many specific flavors, and always the potential to invent new flavors. The ice cream landscape seems to break out something like this to a newbie:Vanilla - Debian; French Vanilla - Ubuntu; Vanilla Bean - LMDE Chocolate - Red Hat; Chocolate Chip - Fedora; Chocolate chocolate chip - Alma; Fruit, Strawberry - Arch; Fruit, Peach or Cherry or pretty much any other fruit - any other Arch Caramel - Gentoo; Vanilla Caramel Swirl - Redcore Neapolitan and Spumoni - When you do super custom stuff like make Ubuntu have rolling release distro using Arch’s package system with Gentoo’s OpenRC for the init system Exotic, like cucumber or ranch or avocado - Everything else that isn’t one of the other big buckets like SUSE, Solus, Quirky, LFS, Zeroshell, Vine, etc. Nuts - Slackware (I mean this in an affectionate way, butter pecan is my fav!) Gelato - BSD Chocolate Gelato - SolarisLike ice cream, Linux can have toppings too: Sauce - init systems; and some people hate chocolate sauce - systemd Whipped cream. Yeah sure there’s different brands and differences in texture or flavor a bit, but they’re basically all doing the same stuff - Packaging Cherry - the GUI. It’s only there for looks, you could absolutely eat the ice cream without it, but most diners expect it on their sundaeDistros - An ice cream sundae. All the things (flavor, toppings, what it’s served in) are presented to you at once. Oooor some of the more lean ones are more like an ice cream cone Eating a pint of ice cream right outta the freezer container - CLI<a href="https://my-place.social/search?tag=Linuxnewbies" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#Linuxnewbies</a> <a href="https://my-place.social/search?tag=LinuxHumor" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#LinuxHumor</a> <a href="https://my-place.social/search?tag=BSD" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#BSD</a> <a href="https://my-place.social/search?tag=Debian" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#Debian</a> <a href="https://my-place.social/search?tag=Gentoo" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#Gentoo</a> <a href="https://my-place.social/search?tag=Slackware" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#Slackware</a> <a href="https://my-place.social/search?tag=Ubuntu" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#Ubuntu</a> <a href="https://my-place.social/search?tag=ArchLinux" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#ArchLinux</a> <a href="https://my-place.social/search?tag=SystemD" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#SystemD</a> <a href="https://my-place.social/search?tag=SysVinit" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#SysVinit</a>

jablkoziemne<a href="https://tux-edu.tv/accounts/darth" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@darth</a> What are the advantages of <a href="https://101010.pl/tags/sysvinit" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#sysvinit</a> over <a href="https://101010.pl/tags/systemd" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#systemd</a>? Or you picked it just from your familiarity with it and <a href="https://101010.pl/tags/devuan" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#devuan</a> <a href="https://101010.pl/tags/linux" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#linux</a>

Kevin Karhan :verified:<a href="https://101010.pl/@centopus" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@centopus</a> again, I consider this the other way around.The whole <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/hate" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#hate</a> against <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Rust" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#Rust</a> is as absurd as the hate <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o_AIw9bGogo" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">against</a> <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/SystemD" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#SystemD</a> and <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Wayland" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#Wayland</a>, because if <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/SysVinit" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#SysVinit</a> and <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Xorg" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#Xorg</a> were viable people would've fixed them.And <a href="https://social.treehouse.systems/@AsahiLinux" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@AsahiLinux</a> delivered results at neck-breaking speeds thx to <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/marcan" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#marcan</a> & <a href="https://vt.social/@lina" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@lina</a> ...

Lazy beardudeI'm now gonna try Arch Linux with inits I haven't tried/not yet familiar. I'm curious how it'll all go, lol.I'm open for any suggestions on what inits to try other than OpenRC, runit, dinit, s6, and sysvinit cos I've already done those, but I'm also open to hear your thoughts and if I should also try them on Arch as well.<a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/arch" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#arch</a> <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/archlinux" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#archlinux</a> <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/linux" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#linux</a> <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/opensource" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#opensource</a> <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/freesoftware" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#freesoftware</a> <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/foss" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#foss</a> <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/busybox" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#busybox</a> <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/openrc" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#openrc</a> <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/runit" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#runit</a> <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/dinit" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#dinit</a> <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/s6" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#s6</a> <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/s6" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#s6</a>-rc <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/sysvinit" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#sysvinit</a>

Lazy beardudeSo, from my notes:<a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/voidlinux" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#voidlinux</a>: symlink a service's name from /etc/sv/ to /var/service to enable a service then sv up & down will become available for that service. <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/chimeralinux" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#chimeralinux</a>: dinitctl, kinda like systemctl <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/devuan" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#devuan</a>: update-rc.d <service> default to get it on the runlevels, then enable/disable to do fun things. Only do update-rc.d remove when the package is removed from the system.. Gotcha<a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/linux" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#linux</a> <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/freesoftware" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#freesoftware</a> <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/opensource" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#opensource</a> <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/foss" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#foss</a> <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/debian" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#debian</a> <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/sysvinit" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#sysvinit</a> <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/dinit" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#dinit</a> <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/musl" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#musl</a> <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/systemd" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#systemd</a>

Lazy beardude7 seconds. Not bad, but look at that RAM usage...220 MiB ! That's actually lightweight! 530 MiB with xorg+xfce 4.18. Still lightweight !<a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/devuan" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#devuan</a> <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/debian" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#debian</a> <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/sysvinit" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#sysvinit</a> <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/opensource" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#opensource</a> <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/freesoftware" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#freesoftware</a> <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/foss" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#foss</a>

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