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#IllumosCafe Hopes To Reinvigorate Interest In Illumos/OpenSolaris Derived Platforms
It's been 15 years since #Illumos project was formed as based on the #OpenSolaris codebase after Oracle's acquisition of Sun Microsystems and closing down OpenSolaris. Illumos Cafe is a new effort akin to BSD Cafe aiming to be a resource and helping to reinvigorate interest in Illumos-based platforms.
phoronix.com/news/Illumos-Cafe
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www.phoronix.comIllumos Cafe Hopes To Reinvigorate Interest In Illumos/OpenSolaris Derived PlatformsIt's been 15 years already since the Illumos project was formed as based on the OpenSolaris codebase after Oracle's acquisition of Sun Microsystems and closing down OpenSolaris

I don't know why but I never looked at the illumos based operating systems. I think I will change that and try out either OpenIndiana or SmartOS and compare them with Linux and BSD.

Areas I want to compare:
- Availability of software
- Simplicity of system management
- General system usage
- Security and Storage features

Are there any illumos users or admins out there with an idea on which things I should try out?

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@david .. older enterprise Ultra Small Desk Top PC's (usdt) dime a dozen from ebay, maybe flea markets pc's are your likely go.

I've a repurposed Optiplex 3060 i7 8700T, micro desktop,, but sata m.2 not nvme, 1 additional sata port doing a 2.5ssd.

plenty of HP Elite Mini pc's too, they call their offerings USFF. Its happily running a #Joyent (#opensolaris derivative OS)

I guess if you climb the model scale a bit, downgrade to i3, or go a bit newer, you'll find nvme, prices are growing because DDR4 SODIMM's are rarer now. so 'Cheap' is relative.

I had to spring for some new, after oem DIMM fried. Cost me $150 for 2x no name 16gb 3200 Dual rank DIMM's. Want play with zones (jails), so I paid.

Focus on the ram size to what you want first, parts vendors are up selling DRR4 for outrageous money when compared to DDR5. It's reflecting in the secondhand PC market pricing at the moment, so don't forget to memtest86 it when it arrives if second hand.

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@ytc1 @DenOfEarth @aka_pugs I know.

And espechally in #ScientificComputing a lot of researchers loved working with #SunMicrosystems and when #Oracle took over that relationship got sour'd instantly due to #Oracle #CEO #LarryEllison...

-> infosec.space/@kkarhan/1146825

One of the big successes of #Sun was that they basically declared a unilateral "ceasefire" in terms of #IP & #Patents re: #OpenSource. Whereas Oracle didn't seem willing to honour that.

  • Without that cooperative atmosphere we saw #OpenOffice devs literally forking off into @libreoffice and projects like #illumos and @openzfs scramble to save what was OpenSource'd and also rescue that.

Obviously #Linux with it's #GPLv2only-Kernel and most of it's Userland could not get 'closed-sourced' like #OpenSolaris which instantly got stomped out by Oracle as they wanted to sqeeze #Solaris for profits and milk their clients in typical Oracle fashion...

Now granted, I do know someone who for most of their life made their money dealing with the intricacies of setting up #postfix, #sendmail and #courier #MailServers on Solaris and if I ask said person about that they give me a kilometer stare, so OFC like a #SysV - #Unix systems Solaris and #SunOS really are one of the reasons #WindowsNT won the "#WorkstationWar" and why - if anyone - #Apple won the last "#UnixWar"...

  • Still I do am sad that I declined that #sysadmin position at a leading research center I'm not at liberty to name and I do know there's OFC still some critical infrastructure running even older Solaris servers...

mastodon.sdf.org/@ytc1/1146893

Infosec.SpaceKevin Karhan :verified: (@kkarhan@infosec.space)@DenOfEarth@mas.to @aka_pugs@mastodon.social I know. Cade in point, #OpenSolaris did have avid users just below that range, and a lot of #ScientificComputing used it, as they previously used #IRIX. And #Sun being #OpenSourve-friendly was the right direction...
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@BenBen @fabiscafe @okapi @chesheer I don't deny this to be a problem, far from it.

  • In an ideal world, stuff would be portable enough that the underlying init (and Userland in general) as well as Kernel didn't matter and merely be a different config file.

In reality, a substantial part of #Gnome devs (or at least contributors) are paid by the 3 major #Linux distros (#RHEL, #SLED, #Ubuntu) and whilst not being antragonistic towards #BSD|s don't get employed to enshure it runs on #FreeBSD, but that it runs better on the distro their employer is selling

  • And given that these projects don't have infinite resources and espechally maintainers I don't blame them to redelegate a lot of work to #SystemD instead of reimplementing something themselves.

OFC it's saddening in regards to non-Linux #Unix-esque OSes, but given self-amplifying network effects both the murder of #OpenSolaris at the hands of #Oracle (with @EUCommission and #FTC as enablers!) and @iXsystems ditching #FreeBSD in #trueNAS alongside regressing #driver support for hardware outside of Linux, #macOS and #Windows, it's not a good time for these projects.

  • Which is bad because BSDs and other OSes force Linux to innovate and ' get gud '!
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@matthew My interests in Sun started when i got my first #sunmicrosystems computer. Finding out about #opensolaris and #Illumos was eye-opening to put it mildly.
I ran a "NAS" machine some time with #omnios until i had a disk crash and motherboard failure #openindiana saved me that time

i can recommend

Mastodon (of course)

unitedbsd.com

smartos.org

tribblix.org

www.openindiana.org

illumos.org

omnios.org

youtube.com/@stephensmachinero

youtu.be/dxZExLeJz2I?si=mzs6Fu

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