Cleaning my bookshelf can be a walk down memory lane #OpenSolaris
Cleaning my bookshelf can be a walk down memory lane #OpenSolaris
#IllumosCafe Hopes To Reinvigorate Interest In Illumos/OpenSolaris Derived Platforms
It's been 15 years since #Illumos project was formed as based on the #OpenSolaris codebase after Oracle's acquisition of Sun Microsystems and closing down OpenSolaris. Illumos Cafe is a new effort akin to BSD Cafe aiming to be a resource and helping to reinvigorate interest in Illumos-based platforms.
https://www.phoronix.com/news/Illumos-Cafe
#OpenIndiana
I don't know why but I never looked at the illumos based operating systems. I think I will change that and try out either OpenIndiana or SmartOS and compare them with Linux and BSD.
Areas I want to compare:
- Availability of software
- Simplicity of system management
- General system usage
- Security and Storage features
Are there any illumos users or admins out there with an idea on which things I should try out?
@david .. older enterprise Ultra Small Desk Top PC's (usdt) dime a dozen from ebay, maybe flea markets pc's are your likely go.
I've a repurposed Optiplex 3060 i7 8700T, micro desktop,, but sata m.2 not nvme, 1 additional sata port doing a 2.5ssd.
plenty of HP Elite Mini pc's too, they call their offerings USFF. Its happily running a #Joyent (#opensolaris derivative OS)
I guess if you climb the model scale a bit, downgrade to i3, or go a bit newer, you'll find nvme, prices are growing because DDR4 SODIMM's are rarer now. so 'Cheap' is relative.
I had to spring for some new, after oem DIMM fried. Cost me $150 for 2x no name 16gb 3200 Dual rank DIMM's. Want play with zones (jails), so I paid.
Focus on the ram size to what you want first, parts vendors are up selling DRR4 for outrageous money when compared to DDR5. It's reflecting in the secondhand PC market pricing at the moment, so don't forget to memtest86 it when it arrives if second hand.
"Do not fall into the trap of anthropomorphizing Larry Ellison"
I'm guessing this quote is pretty famous. Here's a good presentation by Bryan Cantrill about the history of SunOS, Solaris and OpenSolaris, up to the point that Oracle tried to kill it and illumos happened.
@olbohlen @mgerdts I mean, sure, if you look at the actual timeline the name was first picked because #OpenSolaris developers liked the “has-been” joke and we then tried to backronym it into respectability….
@ytc1 @DenOfEarth @aka_pugs I know.
And espechally in #ScientificComputing a lot of researchers loved working with #SunMicrosystems and when #Oracle took over that relationship got sour'd instantly due to #Oracle #CEO #LarryEllison...
-> https://infosec.space/@kkarhan/114682503920794745
One of the big successes of #Sun was that they basically declared a unilateral "ceasefire" in terms of #IP & #Patents re: #OpenSource. Whereas Oracle didn't seem willing to honour that.
Obviously #Linux with it's #GPLv2only-Kernel and most of it's Userland could not get 'closed-sourced' like #OpenSolaris which instantly got stomped out by Oracle as they wanted to sqeeze #Solaris for profits and milk their clients in typical Oracle fashion...
Now granted, I do know someone who for most of their life made their money dealing with the intricacies of setting up #postfix, #sendmail and #courier #MailServers on Solaris and if I ask said person about that they give me a kilometer stare, so OFC like a #SysV - #Unix systems Solaris and #SunOS really are one of the reasons #WindowsNT won the "#WorkstationWar" and why - if anyone - #Apple won the last "#UnixWar"...
20 years ago today, I joined in the #OpenSolaris opening day blog circus by posting why the X11 & Desktop sources were not yet posted to opensolaris.org but would be coming later:
https://blogs.oracle.com/solaris/post/opening-day
and about what new desktop features were in the first #Solaris Express Community Edition (SXCE) release that went out at the same time:
https://blogs.oracle.com/solaris/post/solaris-express-changes-for-desktop-users
Opening Day for #OpenSolaris was 20 years ago today, June 14, 2005.
https://web.archive.org/web/20050615185510/http://www.opensolaris.org/os/
https://web.archive.org/web/20050616004614/http://www.opensolaris.org/os/blogs/
@DenOfEarth @aka_pugs I know.
Cade in point, #OpenSolaris did have avid users just below that range, and a lot of #ScientificComputing used it, as they previously used #IRIX.
And #Sun being #OpenSourve-friendly was the right direction...
@aka_pugs I loved #OpenSolaris, and I'm still mad at #FTC & @EUCommission for allowing #Oracle to buy #Sun!
@BenBen @fabiscafe @okapi @chesheer I don't deny this to be a problem, far from it.
init
(and Userland
in general) as well as Kernel didn't matter and merely be a different config file.In reality, a substantial part of #Gnome devs (or at least contributors) are paid by the 3 major #Linux distros (#RHEL, #SLED, #Ubuntu) and whilst not being antragonistic towards #BSD|s don't get employed to enshure it runs on #FreeBSD, but that it runs better on the distro their employer is selling…
OFC it's saddening in regards to non-Linux #Unix-esque OSes, but given self-amplifying network effects both the murder of #OpenSolaris at the hands of #Oracle (with @EUCommission and #FTC as enablers!) and @iXsystems ditching #FreeBSD in #trueNAS alongside regressing #driver support for hardware outside of Linux, #macOS and #Windows, it's not a good time for these projects.
get gud
'!@bastetfurry @fuchsiii @puppygirlhornypost2 it's basically salvaged #OpenSolaris...
Gerade bin ich zufällig auf #OpenIndiana gestoßen – #OpenSolaris lebt weiter! Es ist großartig, dass solche Projekte dank der Community weiterhin existieren.
#OpenSource #Unix #SystemV
@matthew My interests in Sun started when i got my first #sunmicrosystems computer. Finding out about #opensolaris and #Illumos was eye-opening to put it mildly.
I ran a "NAS" machine some time with #omnios until i had a disk crash and motherboard failure #openindiana saved me that time
i can recommend
Mastodon (of course)
unitedbsd.com
smartos.org
tribblix.org
www.openindiana.org
illumos.org
omnios.org
https://youtube.com/@stephensmachineroom?si=1LF6ybvu83c_dmDp
https://youtu.be/dxZExLeJz2I?si=mzs6FuXrIW49RSyA
Hope you find something useful
#tribblix got some cool zone management with #zap
Just playing around with #bhyve and #netbsd
NetBSD feels fast.
one line to deploy a zone #1337hax0r
Introducing a ddu-alike feature for Tribblix
https://ptribble.blogspot.com/2025/02/introducing-ddu-alike-for-tribblix.html
What do you mean in detail?
#Illumos on #arm64 works quite good.
Tomorrow the #opensource #FOSDEM #conference starts in #Brussels, #Belgium!
Let’s see if we can attract more people to #BSD based systems by providing free #vps running #FreeBSD, #NetBSD, #OpenBSD or even #illumos as an #opensolaris solution.
@gyptazy will be onsite to provide you more information or even stickers ;)